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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2009, 01:43:57 PM »

Saying that whites have an obvious privilege in society that they have learned to expect does not antagonize white people. It is a cultural heritage that comes from the fact that whites considered themselves above else and colonized and exploited large parts of the world. Slavery has lead to an increased white privilege to develop in the US compared to countries that have not been exposed to a struggle where the leaders can use race or religion as an argument why the opponent must be destroyed or oppressed.

i don't think there is a single country on earth who hasn't used race and religious differences as an excuse to destroy an enemy.

But when you say this: "..that appear to mean whites are the bad guys and every other race is their victim", consider that the black slaves suffered due to white people, and so did the blacks that lived in areas colonized by whites. This suffering is to some degree inherited to their now living ancestors as the colonization back then has lead to worse conditions today, and the blacks living in America would not live there and would have lived under entirely different conditions (probably better if colonization never had occurred) than many do today. In the same way that the struggle is inherited for the blacks the guilt to some degree inherited by the whites, though first and foremost the constitutions that allowed the ruthless behavior of the colonists.

i think the blacks that live in America would not like having worms digging in their eyes very much, just my opinion here though...

I do not mean that whites today can be held accountable for actions performed by our ancestors, but the damage done is still there and I think it is the duty of white society to counteract this damage so that it can be minimized. This will however never be done fully, the children of colonists will not leave America, Africa and Asia.

white society? we have our own society? why haven't i been informed...
also, why do you consider white people living in previously colonised areas ''damage''? Do you mean because they weren't there first? Going by that logic America needs to deport the asians and blacks before dealing with their white infestation. and then since the ''natives'' arrived over an ice bridge they need to be kicked out too.

other than all that, why not consider these damages to be caused by the COUNTRIES that colonised them and not the race that happens to be that country's majority?


What can be done though is to increase the conditions of those that have been affected by colonialism, not in the way charity work today where it is with the attitude of "you can't take care of yourself so we are nice to help you".

this is something i strongly agree with, i don't see any reason why countries who are technologically advanced can't give third world countries the machinery needed for electricity, clean water, medicines, advanced farming, etc.
If they did that then those countries could become productive members of the world economy and everyone benefits.

But I will not go more into the guilt of the white western world now

you mean America
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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2009, 01:57:37 PM »

I has refused to study some areas of chemistry and physics beacuse of the atomic bomb, but yet i also study the cold war.

I am sorry but that's silly. That's like saying I refuse to learn some areas of art because Hitler was an artist.

Ah, it's ok.

Einstein himeslf shared the same view, he even went as far as to say that he wanted to 'uninvent' the theory of relativity because of what it could be applied to.
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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2009, 02:05:24 PM »

Out of curiosity what race or ethnicity are you then?

I am white.

So you are a self hating white man? Wow. I think you may be right for yourself at least, since all groups of people have racist people within them. Be it Latinos with La Raza hating the whites or the White Nazi's hating the Jews (and just about everyone else). But i think its unfair to say all white are racist or are any more racist than any other group of people.

Everyone has their own racial, cultural and national identity. I am English, Irish, Scottish, German, Dutch and Cherokee for my race. My culture is that of a lower-middle class in Southern California within coastal city that has a high population of Asian immigrants and their decedents. My parents have never been divorced, are only semi religious and I have one sibling. I am heterosexual, a registered Republican and most of all an American.

Out of all these traits and culture I must admit i feel most at home around Asian (or Hapas) Americans and felt very weird when going to the mid-west on trips since it was way too "white". However when I meet people I do not judge them on their race but who they are. Which means if you are a jerk you are jerk no matter what race. And if you are a nerd you are a nerd no matter what race.
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2009, 02:20:28 PM »

i don't think there is a single country on earth who hasn't used race and religious differences as an excuse to destroy an enemy.

You are probably right, but some have used it more, and more recently than others. (Sweden though has only been at war with Norway, Denmark, Germany, Poland and maybe a few more countries laying close. I wouldn't say they could have used neither race nor religion as a reason for those wars.


i think the blacks that live in America would not like having worms digging in their eyes very much, just my opinion here though...

This is VERY offensive. First of all you assume that if whites wouldn't have taken blacks as slaves (and saving their descendants from eye worms) their descendants would live in terrible conditions. So you say it was a favor, what the white colonists did?


white society? we have our own society? why haven't i been informed...
also, why do you consider white people living in previously colonised areas ''damage''? Do you mean because they weren't there first? Going by that logic America needs to deport the asians and blacks before dealing with their white infestation. and then since the ''natives'' arrived over an ice bridge they need to be kicked out too.

When I say white society I mean the western world that somewhat share the same modern culture, a culture that is mainly copied from America though. Why I consider white people living in previously colonised areas "damage"? Apartheid ended 1994 in South Africa. The taint from it is still very clear.

I do not say America should be decolonized, in the current situation this would cause to much trouble, but how would that be different from how the Zionists taking back the country they lived in 2000 years ago? And yes, a decolonization would mean that the persons not given permanent residency by the established indigenous government would be deported.

other than all that, why not consider these damages to be caused by the COUNTRIES that colonised them and not the race that happens to be that country's majority?

But when you say this: "..that appear to mean whites are the bad guys and every other race is their victim", consider that the black slaves suffered due to white people, and so did the blacks that lived in areas colonized by whites. This suffering is to some degree inherited to their now living ancestors as the colonization back then has lead to worse conditions today, and the blacks living in America would not live there and would have lived under entirely different conditions (probably better if colonization never had occurred) than many do today. In the same way that the struggle is inherited for the blacks the guilt to some degree inherited by the whites, though first and foremost the constitutions that allowed the ruthless behavior of the colonists.


I do not mean that whites today can be held accountable for actions performed by our ancestors
, but the damage done is still there and I think it is the duty of white society to counteract this damage so that it can be minimized.  

Still, in the same way people of color today are affected by the oppression then in the role of the oppressed then white people today are affected by the oppression then in the role of the oppressor.


you mean America

Britain? The Netherlands? France? Germany? The list goes on.

So you are a self hating white man? Wow. I think you may be right for yourself at least, since all groups of people have racist people within them. Be it Latinos with La Raza hating the whites or the White Nazi's hating the Jews (and just about everyone else). But i think its unfair to say all white are racist or are any more racist than any other group of people.

I do not hate white people in any way. I am also not talking about a higher frequency of the extreme racists you talk about. I am talking about white privilege and how it is a form of racism.

On another note, white people also have the privilege of easier assimilating into other cultures, such as the hip hop culture that was a movement against violence and for creativity among blacks in the projects.
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2009, 02:36:40 PM »

people of color today

i am offended.
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2009, 02:40:07 PM »

people of color today

i am offended.


Why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_color

Every person of color I have talked to preferred people of color or POC over non-whites.

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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2009, 03:13:05 PM »

@Hydromancerx

What you have said is true about ego.  Buddha once said rebirth was like transferring a flame from one candle to the next, same fire, different flame (does that make sense? It does for me at least).  And the other things you said about physics is exactly why I like this religion/philosophy so much, is that it embraces scientific principles, such as evolution and the Big Bang.

Oh, and don't worry about offending me.  I'm really chill about most things, and take them in stride, unlike "others".  Plus I understand that most school systems only go over "other" religions very briefly, so I can understand some misunderstanding.
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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2009, 03:53:16 PM »

@Kenotai

Well the main problem I see with reincarnation if it happens is keeping the "soul" together for the next life. When the body dies it will become many other things and get recycled by into the environment. Not to mention we are constantly shedding dead cells or absorbing it back into the body. So if there really is a "soul" that is separate from the ego then it might get spread around back into the environment. Thus reincarnated into many diffrent things. This making it no more significant than say us drinking water when use to be dinosaur pee or the fact we are made up of star dust.
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« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2009, 03:57:57 PM »

I am also pro gay rights, pro environment, pro war, pro guns, pro choice (though I think adoption is better), anti-illegal immigration, pro stem cell research, I like meat but think vegetarian food taste good too, and think that all politicians are corrupt in some way Tongue
Me too! Although I eat more flora than fauna, most of the time, and prefer to consist on just chicken when meat is involved.
Or bacon. But bacon is not an often food.
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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2009, 04:04:28 PM »

I am also pro gay rights, pro environment, pro war, pro guns, pro choice (though I think adoption is better), anti-illegal immigration, pro stem cell research, I like meat but think vegetarian food taste good too, and think that all politicians are corrupt in some way Tongue
Me too! Although I eat more flora than fauna, most of the time, and prefer to consist on just chicken when meat is involved.
Or bacon. But bacon is not an often food.

Do you like fish? I love salmon and also other seafood like squid. Yum, yum!
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2009, 05:10:38 PM »

dolphin meat ftw
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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2009, 05:15:34 PM »

@Hydromancerx

What you have said is true about ego.  Buddha once said rebirth was like transferring a flame from one candle to the next, same fire, different flame (does that make sense? It does for me at least).  And the other things you said about physics is exactly why I like this religion/philosophy so much, is that it embraces scientific principles, such as evolution and the Big Bang.


Well catholicism does too, unless the scientific priciple directly contradicts christian doctrine (which I haven't seen happening so far). Its just the fundamentalist christians that you have to watch out for.
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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2009, 05:45:15 PM »

dolphin meat ftw
that's legal in everyway
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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2009, 11:49:46 PM »

dolphin meat ftw
that's legal in everyway
I'll show them to thank me for all the fish!!
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2009, 12:38:41 AM »

dolphin meat ftw

The fish or the mammal?
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